Allies Voice: Diabetes does not discriminate - so why should Mississippi?
A scheme, by definition, is a plan or program of action - so when I read the headline "Diabetes scheme claims success" - I had to inquire further. Sounds dubious - doesn't it?
It's a course being offered in the UK, which covers every aspect of diabetes from the everyday little things to dietary advice to complications. Not much of a scheme, really. That headline is child's play compared to a new house bill proposed in Mississippi!
In a desperate attempt to launch a sobering wakeup call to 30% of residents - Mississippi lawmakers have introduced House Bill 282. The bill will allow restaurants to deny service to obese customers. The bill intends to raise awareness of the seriousness of obesity and the illnesses it can cause - elevated blood pressure, heart disease and diabetes among them. But will it work?
The authors of the bill are fully aware it may never come to pass. However the reality of diabetes is undeniable. It's one thing when you hear every bell tolling the likelihood of developing diabetes. Some people are diagnosed with Type 2 without ANY forewarning whatsoever. Type 1 diabetes is more often mysteriously cruel. In either instance - at the end of the day - any type of diabetes is a handful of responsibility, both personally and universally. The world need not dispatch campaigns of disparity or discrimination to aid in curtailing the disease. Instead, we should look at it from the good for the goose / good for the gander perspective.
Similar to New York City passing the trans fat ban - if you can't serve unhealthy foods to the healthy...maybe you shouldn't be serving it AT ALL?





amazing.....so it does not matter that a man/woman looking lean or "normal" weight can still have high blood pressure, cholesterol issues or even diabetes because it does not "show" with their weight.....just amazing......what's next......big brother is upon us......
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See, more talk about BOOBS. Only these ones are living breathing boobs and not the good kind.
Passing laws like this is the slow struggle to turn this country comunist. Tapping against free speach laws by saying "You can not discriminate against anyone UNLESS we make it a law." How stupid, welcome to the semi free country of welth, because if you got the money, you too can be healthy.
Bah! If it was actually directed at health, well it is the wrong way to go about it. But it is preatty easy to see that more than a few people have been taking their sweet time at the "all you can eat" places and it has the owners a bit starving themselfs. This bill/law can NOT seriously be FOR health.
Just remeber Ol Miss, if you got a beer gut and DONT tip your waitress well, next time your going to get to the store and make yoru own food. LMAO!
All this talk about BOOBs, I like this. no other place do we get to hear about "good" boobs and then "bad" boobs.
you rock Allie!
Robert
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I think that this bill in Mississippi is very discriminatory. I'm not obese but have family members that are. If I wanted to go to restaurant but they refused to serve my family I would never go back there again. They need to realize that this will hurt the businesses more than the people.
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It's about time that this bill was passed. Mississippi shows great foresight and courage into this matter of obesity and Diabetes.
In a similar mode, obese(Fat) people should not be allowed to board airctaft since a greater thrust is required to lift the plane off, requiring more engine fuel. Did you ever notice how 1 1/2X seat space is occupied on both airlines and for that matter, subways because of obesity?
I believe that this new bill has had the financial and political backing of Weight Watches.
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I think the smarter approach would be to reduce the amounts of fast food available in stores, on street corners, in schools, and the amount of junk food commercials shown to kids on TV. The times I watch an American channel, it is RIDICULOUS! I actually commented to my husband about how it's no wonder why Americans are getting more and more obese (although Canada is not far behind). Every 10 minutes there was a commercial break advertising cheap wings, pizza, burgers, chicken, ice cream. Followed by a Big Pharma commercial! In Canada, we have different media laws.
Secondly, the government should provide healthier choices and money for such choices, instead of taking away choices. Make healthy food more affordable and available, and more people (in most cases) will buy it. Sure, deep fried Mars bars must taste good, but after seeing 5 of your family members die from T2 diabetes, you might be open to change. But only if it's within reach. If people feel hopeless, they give up. Many obese people want to change, but just feel that they have already lost the battle.
Of course, some people just don't care to change, or don't want to, but you can't deny those who could if only more healthy options were given in place of the "fast, easy, and cheap" route.
Lastly, what about people who are obese but follow a healthy lifestyle? Sure this is not overall common, but it does happen. You can be obese, but order a salad and grilled chicken in a restaurant.
It's really said that the obesity crisis has reached this point.
People should be taking responsibility for their own actions, has it really gotten to the point where we can no longer let them make responsible choices? I'm all for stopping the obesity crisis, but these people will then go home and order 6 buckets of KFC and a pizza. Unless you put a ban on selling junk food to obese people for their own home use, this idea is useless.
Yes these people need a wake up call...but they also need affordable and available alternatives.
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This shows that our law makers are not smart enough to deal with real issues. If you are overweight or need to make changes in your eating habits a new law will not do this. And if I owned a resturant there I would only serve fat or obsece or what ever you want to call them because I would make a lot of money. How about a law that says a Diabetic has the right to have insulin that works for their bodies. How about a law that streamlines importation of animal insulins from other sources and allow for cheaper means for struggling Diabetics who don't have enought money to buy the insulin they need. How about forcing drug companies from discontinuing life saving medication and have to justify this other than profits. WAKE UP PEOPLE and let deal with real issues and this includes our stupid politians who just don't get it. Forget about the large breast and forget about overweight people and start dealing with real health issues that prevent people from living a good quality of life. We the people. Yea right.
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This is horrible! Its like giving a kid a mercury vaccine and then teasing him because he has Autism.
I am so offended at the huge emphasis on fake chemically enhanced food, that I have a personal ban on these. Thats right..I dont accept fake food. I cook my own food or eat at healthy places, no boxed food and food with few ingredients. Shocking that the food conglomerants can get away with packaging plastic and labeling it "food".
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I agree with you Leisa!
I do not eat any chemical foods and/or processed foods. These chemicals and toxins are causing many health problems. Unfortunately, people are really just dying from a nutritional deficiency disease. There bodies are overloaded with chemicals and toxins.
I am not surprised the organs can no longer function. Start checking not only your food labels, but other products. Can you pronounce all of the words?
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From Jackson, MS - As I understand it the bill was used to bring to the attention of the State that Mississippi has so many people classified as obese. No one thought that it would ever pass and become LAW.
It is interesting to see what people outside of Mississippi were thinking. I guess sterotypes will never die.
Type 2 with a 4.9 A1C
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WILL RESTAURANTS FEED A "1 MEAL A DAY" CLIENT?
> 0108 www.tinyurl.com/2rra8y [LoveDiabetes.com]
ONE MEAL A DAY ...
INCREASES GLUCOSE INSULIN RESISTANCE ...
HELPS PREVENT RELATIVE-HYPO-GLYCEMIA-DISTRESS ...
> 1107 www.tinyurl.com/2u88dx [MattsonM@grc.nia.nih.gov ~ '... consuming 1 meal per day exhibited ... delayed insulin response in the oral glucose tolerance test compared with subjects consuming 3 meals per day. Levels of ghrelin were elevated in response to the 1-meal-per-day regimen ... '].
4 LAYERS OF EVIDENCE...
In the light of: Salzer's 1966 "relative-HYPOglycemia" & Neuro-Psychiatric research, Dosch's 2006 "Psycho-Neuro-Immunology" [PNI] type 1A research, Ristow's 'beneficial glucose-insulin-resistance' research AND ... Eisenbarth's NEW 2008 "Auto-Immunity to Human beta-cell insulin" research ... how reasonable is the Gracey HYPO-thesis?
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoneuroimmunology
> 0367 www.tinyurl.com/2uxb99">www.tinyurl.com/2uxb99 [Allan Cott c/o Harry M Salzer]
> 1206 www.tinyurl.com/2odurt [HMDosch@sickkids.ca ~ Michael Dosch]
> 1007 www.tinyurl.com/3aypqg [MRistow@mristow.org] ~ Michael Ristow]
> 0108 www.tinyurl.com/3bqcm9 [George.Eisenbarth@uchsc.edu].
Any comments upon these ideas and/or my HypO-Thesis in relation to the CAUSE of diabetes would be most appreciated...
> 1207 www.tinyurl.com/399utj ["The Gracey HypO-Thesis" / relative HypO-Glycemia-distress ... 'the avoidable CAUSE of type 0 / 1B / 2 / 1.5 / 1A / 2A / 3 / 4 diabetes appears substantially identical'].
…Warm thanks & Adrenalin Love
Nick Gracey, BSc(Hons) Medical Biochemistry, Birmingham University, UK, WATerian (C) TUE.05.FEB.2008 @ 23:15hrs c/o DiabetesHealth.com & www.HypO-Thesis.com
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"The Gracey HypO-Thesis" for the CAUSE & CURE of diabetes... www.tinyurl.com/32z33w
CURE auto-immunity [100pc Fresh Organic Raw Liquidiet]... www.tinyurl.com/3cw8eu
CURE diabetes [relative-Normo-Glycemia (rNG)]... www.tinyurl.com/2guhfd
CURED diabetes [relative-HypO-Glycemia-distress (rHOGd)]... www.tinyurl.com/yno298
PREVENT ... HypO-Glycemia-unawareness (HOGu)... www.tinyurl.com/2y3zpq
PREVENT ... relative-HypeR-Glycemia-distress (rHRGd)... www.tinyurl.com/ynpp4g
PROVIDE ... relative-Normo-Glycemia (rNG)... www.tinyurl.com/3bcn7j
Eat not less but less OFTEN... www.tinyurl.com/299t3f
Eating less OFTEN is profoundly more healthy than eating less... www.tinyurl.com/ys63gk
Eating too OFTEN sustains & CAUSES all diabetes... www.tinyurl.com/2j7p3t
PROTECT from HypeR-Glycemia-coma (HRGc)... WATer... www.tinyurl.com/2mcyx6 and
... from HypO-Glycemia-coma (HOGc) ... 100pc FOR Liquidiet ... www.tinyurl.com/2ohk2a
Diabetes is not a disease ... www.tinyurl.com/2uxb99">www.tinyurl.com/2uxb99 ... diabetes is the CURE...
... for ... relative-HypO-Glycemia-distress (rHOGd)... www.tinyurl.com/36qxn3
Eating-less-OFTEN-Fasting-more-OFTEN-Loving-more-OFTEN
http://www.DiabetesHealth.com/read/2007/11/29/5564.html#comments
AdrenaLINE ... www.tinyurl.com/29kvda ... "I-Fast-Every-23hours-45minutes-OrMore"
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Hi Sarah,
Any HYPO-thesis including a proposed CURE for auto-immunity is worthy of discussion/testing.
You say that these discussions are "not fun" for you because you "struggle with a life threatening illness." So then, why do you spend so much time 'asking questions' about something you are not willing to try? Please read YOUR 3 comments referenced below. Really, how serious are you about wanting a cure? You sound 'very unreasonable' hoping that someone will hand you an 'instant cure' and make all your problems go away without any effort on your part. First, you say that you desperately want a cure and are willing to pay first $10,000 and then $100,000, yet you then say you can't afford to pay $50 for a juicer?
http://alliesvoice.com/2007/12/19/allies-voice-the-emotional-roller-coaster-of-diabetes.aspx#comment-741425
http://alliesvoice.com/2008/01/09/allies-voice-have-you-been-stimulated.aspx#comment-765947
http://alliesvoice.com/2008/01/30/allies-voice-big-breasts-and-evolution.aspx?view=threaded#comment-811049
You pretend to have tested Gracey's HYPO-thesis for a CURE for auto-immunity (www.tinyurl.com/3cw8eu) when in fact you have not followed any of his suggestions. You say you have "eaten less often" but instead you have chosen an unhealthy, unsustainable, fasting method for 'more than 4 days straight'. You say that you have eaten raw foods but have not tried the 100% raw juice diet. You have made fun of the "yoga pose" but have you tried it? You waste a lot of effort trying to disprove things that you are unwilling to try, yet you are willing to try vitamin D, which you say causes "lows" (much more dangerous than highs).
Whether I am a cured un-drug-treated diabetic or not, depending on your interpretation, I want my body to be protected from excess glucose flooding into my cells via my insulin receptors by their sometimes adaptively increasing their glucose insulin resistance.
I eat 1 meal a day to help gradually 'train' that 'resistance'. You prefer to suggest that a type 1's insulin receptors' ability to increase resistance, is redundant in your case and that you would rather be glucose insulin sensitive -- because that is what you have read somewhere?
Fine, but you also suggest you have evidence about type 2 diabetes and you make repeated suggestions that doing 'this or that' will benefit or harm type 2 diabetics (especially your repeated 'obesity/effort' related comments which suggest type 2 diabetics, who are obese, make less 'effort' than you do)?
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Once again, you read into something.I never posted that I am looking for a cure. I have never said that I am hoping for an instant cure. I said I am sick of ignorant people thinking they have one. How many Type 1 diabetics have to die from DKA when they don't have to because they were promised some "miracle cure"?
All we need is some mom of a newly diagnosed child to come to this site, and think that she can cure her child with carrot juice.
I am so sure that a juice fast will not cure autoimmune diabetes that yes, I am willing to pay $100,000. Get my point now? And not that it's any of your business, but I am expecting an inheritance from my Grandmother who passed away last year. I now plan on using that money for Sernova or LCT. Believe me, if there is a "natural" cure out there, I would be able to figure it out myself.
I am referring to my fasting as something I have done over the past 3 years. It has to do with my food allergies and nothing to do with my diabetes. And certainly nothing to do with Gracey.
Regardless, that does NOT mean I will not try juicing. I believe anyone reading this will realize that has been clear all along.
As long as you think you're cured Bird54, that's all that matters. That's great.
I cannot make sense of what you are referring to when you state that I have read something about wanting to be "glucose insulin sensitive".
Evidence about Type 2 diabetes? Are you meaning that you think I have Type 2 diabetes? Actually, I have virtually NO evidence of that. I refuse to go over that again. You read one New Age controversial theory and now you think you're an Endocrinologist? Just because it's a "fringe" theory, it doesn't make it valid. There is a world outside the Big Pharma controlled US.
Since most cases of Type 2 diabetes are preventable (even the Gracey HYPO-thesis suggests this), then wouldn't it make sense that most Type 2's are NOT making the effort? Isn't that why the government is spending money on ways to promote healthy living? Furthermore, my comment above in this thread outlines ways to HELP the obese. I think there are other comments which were less than helpful. And yet you seem to have a bone to pick with me.
I have no idea what you are referring to in your last comment...
I am done with this "conversation", I am sick of being attacked just because I do not agree with your beliefs, which largely have no scientific data to back them up. Here's one for you...show me a study that PROVES Raw Juice cures Type 1 diabetes.
It's one thing to suggest I TRY Raw Juice, it's another to adamantly state that it can cure me, my mother, "thousands of (T1) diabetics", etc.
You always want "proof" from me, so now's your chance to give ME some proof.
I suggest that if you really want to pursue your passion, get a study going, and get some data on your claims. That is going to be the only way to find out.
Please let this thread die. I think we have both said what we want.
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Sarah, You say -- "I think that those who are able to control the disease with diet and exercise may do better, but ONLY if they achieve normal blood glucose levels. Which most can do if they make the effort with diet and exercise, and weight loss if needed."
http://alliesvoice.com/2008/01/30/allies-voice-big-breasts-and-evolution.aspx#comment-811146
Now there are at least 2 possible sources for your comment. Either you have imagined the ideas and are now publishing comments for which you have no evidence -- to everyone reading this blog -- OR you can provide even ONE reference that is reasonable evidence that an un-drug-treated type 2 diabetic -- often having a higher than 'normal' blood glucose -- is in any way not healthier than a drug-treated type 2 diabetic -- "but ONLY if they achieve normal blood glucose levels" (as you say).
If you cannot provide ONE pubmed reference, with an un-drug-treated control, evidencing why I, or any other un-drug-treated type 2 diabetic, should ever be concerned about my blood glucose rising as high or higher than yours / or any type 1 or other drug-treated diabetic -- then you cannot and that is understandable.
Also, you repeatedly requested a CURE. You have been provided with a novel HYPO-thesis which may provide you that cure. Why the lack of gratitude? Gracey has already published evidence of a raw juice related approach to curing type 1 diabetes --
http://alliesvoice.com/2008/01/22/allies-voice-could-delta-force-explain-diabetes.aspx#comment-789359
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Sorry, but this is such nonsense that I have no idea what to say. You never like the data I give you. PLEASE direct your questions to the Medical Experts (i.e. "Ask the Diabetes Team" at http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com.
You could probably find the answers to your question yourself, as well. I really suggest you refer your questions and ideas to the Expert team.
No offense, but if anyone is stating claims without scientific evidence to back it up (i.e. Raw Juice cures Type 1 diabetes), I think that would be you.
Lack of gratitude? That's hard when I feel as though I am always under attack because I happen to like to see data before I claim something as feasible for a cure. For instance, there are studies done with T1 and Vitamin D.
There is nothing here that shows peer review scientific evidence for a cure for T1. This is a book, which is geared towards Type 2 diabetes, the new plague due to obesity. There are many ways to put Type 2 into "remission". The Gracey diet is one.
No offense, but if this doctor cured a previously "incurable" disease (autoimmune T1)with Raw Juice, he would have published a study, gotten worldwide recognition, and likely received a Nobel Prize. Not selling his book on Amazon trying to make money. Think about it...
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Hi Sarah, Allie's blog is 'diabetes-does-not-discriminate'.
You say -- "This is a book, which is geared towards Type 2 diabetes, the new plague due to obesity."
http://alliesvoice.com/2008/02/04/allies-voice-diabetes-does-not-discriminate--so-why-should-mississippi.aspx#comment-812972
You are claiming as fact. You've made the same claim before -- 'type 2 diabetes is caused by OBESITY'.
You think that's scientific? Millions of people are obese and NOT diabetic. The ONLY reasonable explanation that I have read for the CAUSE of diabetes is the Gracey HYPO-thesis (www.tinyurl.com/399utj). Your idea that 'pores in your gut' that got bigger more than 20 years AFTER you were diagnosed with hyper-glycemia -- causes type 1 -- is your reason for not testing Gracey's HYPO-thesis?
Or is it because Gracey has yet to get a Nobel prize. You've created a hurdle for any discovery to require a Nobel prize AND to have gained worldwide recognition BEFORE you will give it your obvious endorsement. Surely you can see how EASY it is to say the 'world is round' once it has received 'worldwide recognition'. My view is the apparent lack of effort that you have expressed in respect of the proposed novel CAUSE of diabetes (relative-hypo-glycemia-distress) and proposed novel CURE for all diabetes (a very specific intermittent-fasting / intermittent-eating / intermittent-exercising program). The Gracey HYPO-thesis was published on 12/31/2007 and it is clearly apparent that you have yet to study his novel method (www.tinyurl.com/3cw8eu). I tested it and it works quickly, progressively & sustainably. I plan to 'wean back onto solids' as my liver improves.
Why have you apparently not even tested the intermittent-exercise for 5 seconds? OR the intermittent-eating within 15 minutes?
Because you seem to want to make no effort. You prefer a transplant. YOU allege type 2 diabetics are OBESE -- type 2 diabetics 'lack effort' but you can have a transplant -- so that you'll be 'all-right-Jack', with your alleged $100000 inheritance transplant, and thousands of other type 1 diabetics will read your DEFAMATORY comments about Bernarr & Cousens & Gracey & Schnitzer -- because you think you can say whatever you feel like -- without any CARE whether you will DELAY or STOP those type 1 diabetics from testing a reasonable hypothesis and POSSIBLY being CURED.
I don't think you've even tried to understand even basic physiology about LIVER function and how the Gracey HYPO-thesis makes absolutely good sense for type 1 AND type 2 diabetes.
Type 2 = OBESITY? -- If you cannot provide ONE pubmed reference, with an un-drug-treated control, evidencing why I, or any other un-drug-treated type 2 diabetic, should ever be concerned about my blood glucose rising as high or higher than yours / or any type 1 (or other drug-treated diabetic) -- that reasonably suggests you DISCRIMINATE, without evidence, against people who YOU SAY are 'OBESE'.
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Why are you STILL debating this with me?
I am glad you seem to think you know my intentions and actions, as well as my future intentions. I'm not sure why you would even attempt to fathom this.
I always hear the typical common question:
"If obesity causes diabetes, why aren't all obese people diabetic?".
Well, the typical response is:
Genetics. Some people have genetic protection against Type 2 diabetes, others have a very high genetic disposition. In other terms, some people will never get Type 2 diabetes no matter what they do. Others may have such a high genetic disposition that even gaining 10 lbs will trigger it, or they will develop it despite being thin and active. In MOST (but not all) cases, personal lifestyle choices seem to play a large role.
There may be other factors.
Lastly, *it is commonly* accepted that obesity is a factor in T2 diabetes in the vast majority of cases. So much so that there are MANY papers on the subject and diabetes prevention programs in place based on this understanding. Did you know that fat is an endocrine organ, not an inert tissue? Fat actually releases hormones that can lead to insulin resistance. That makes a strong case for the obesity/T2 link. High levels of abdominal fat are also linked with T2 diabetes, even if you are thin.
Obesity as major cause for T2DM:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15453443?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlusDrugs1
Most (T2) diabetes cases are largely preventable, and seem to be directly caused by lifestyle choices:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15077562?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlusDrugs1
These are published studies, not my personal opinions.
I am not sure why you are saying that because I believe hyperglycemia is dangerous (as many agree, including Dr. Bernstein), I am "discriminating" against those who are obese.
I am not. Furthermore, you claim you are a "thin" Type 2 diabetic with a WTHR of "0.73". So you should not feel attacked, unless you are lying. Regardless, the point is that believing in hyperglycemic damage does not equal discrimination against the obese in the mind of anyone who is logical or rational. I'm sorry, but I do not follow your last statement at all.
I have already explained why I feel that the book you reference is geared towards Type 2 diabetes, and the actual reader reviews on the book support my claim. We have lots of evidence saying that Raw Food diets lower insulin needs and blood glucose levels in Type 1 diabetics, but please post a peer-reviewed research paper saying it is a cure if you are going to adamantly claim it is. There are absolutely NO peer reviewed articles on this.
I have already given you the resources to find out any information you wish.
Again, I wish you and Gracey all the best.
If the juice diet does anything, I will report back as such.
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Hi Sarah, 'diabetes-does-not-discriminate' but truth does.
You say -- "So you should not feel attacked, unless you are lying. Regardless, the point is that believing in hyperglycemic damage does not equal discrimination against the obese in the mind of anyone who is logical or rational."
http://alliesvoice.com/2008/02/04/allies-voice-diabetes-does-not-discriminate--so-why-should-mississippi.aspx#comment-814773
You are claiming as fact. You've made the same claim before -- 'hyperglycemic damage is a consequence of un-drug-treated type 2 diabetes (which you say is caused by OBESITY' or eating too much -- which you say you don't do).
If you cannot provide ONE pubmed reference, with an un-drug-treated control, evidencing why I, or any other un-drug-treated type 2 diabetic, should ever be concerned about my blood glucose rising as high or higher than yours / or any type 1 (or other drug-treated diabetic) -- that reasonably suggests you DISCRIMINATE, without evidence, against people who you allege (without any evidence) will suffer hyperglycemic damage as a consequence YOU SAY of being 'OBESE'.
Of course you cannot find such a reference. But you clearly appear to enjoy discriminating against people who you say -- are obese and hyperglycemic (and you say could heal themselves by 'lifestyle change' -- but you won't even test the straightforward Gracey HYPO-thesis guidelines for such a change (www.tinyurl.com/3cw8eu).
You say -- "Nick, if you can "cure" me, I will personally pay you $10,000, and we can publish an article together. -- Tell me how to "cure" my autoimmunity (I also have Celiac and Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, which I also want cured). Seriously, tell me how to "cure" myself with your own personal method. -- Tell me what your REAL cure is. How can I cure my autoimmunity? I'd actually rather cure my thyroid condition over diabetes. -- Cure me Nick."
http://alliesvoice.com/2007/12/19/allies-voice-the-emotional-roller-coaster-of-diabetes.aspx#comment-741425
You say -- "If you can cure me, I will meet with you and pay you $100,000. So how do I stop this constant autoimmunity?
http://alliesvoice.com/2008/01/09/allies-voice-have-you-been-stimulated.aspx#comment-765947
You say -- "Mr. Gracey -- You will set me up on the EXACT diet (must be gluten and milk free), lifestyle changes (if any), and mentality that you want. I will do whatever you say, but I need a detailed list from YOU -- You need to give me a plan right from the source. I need you to tell me EXACTLY how to cure my autoimmunity."
http://alliesvoice.com/2008/01/09/allies-voice-have-you-been-stimulated.aspx#comment-772397
THEN -- you say -- "I never posted that I am looking for a cure."
http://alliesvoice.com/2008/02/04/allies-voice-diabetes-does-not-discriminate--so-why-should-mississippi.aspx#comment-812949
So what are YOUR words -- evidenced in the 3 posts above -- communicating TRUTH or LYING?
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It's called Sarcasm. I wanted to see if Gracey REALLY had anything to offer.
As for you, do you know how I think YOU caused your insulin resistance?
You said you were a gymnast. Did you ever have an eating disorder?
MY personal hypothesis is that your body became excitement to starving and acquired insulin resistance.
And now you must continue to starve or you will develop full blown T2 diabetes.
Basically, you screwed yourself over.
If you can find evidence that starving or yo-yo dieting creates insulin resistance, you have your proof.
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Sorry, I was busy doing something else when I wrote the previous post. Please replace the word "excitement" with the phrase "adapted to".
I have no idea where "excitement" came from, but that's besides the point. Perhaps this thread is stirring up excitement.
Anyway, my point was that perhaps your body acquired insulin resistance in order to survive what it perceived as "starvation". It is possible that this may not have appeared until you tried to eat "normally" again.
Then, when you recovered, your body was not able to process carbs without causing hyperglycemia, more insulin resistance, and eventually, weight gain. Basically, your body is now set in a cycle, thinking it is going to be starved.
I want to apologize for my hast at the beginning of the previous post. I admit, I sound quite upset. My point was that I have heard and been promised many "too good to be true" cures in my lifetime, and my pet peeve is those who promise what I perceive as "miracle cures" to Type 1 diabetics. Unfortunately, T1DM seems to be a hot disease for scam artists or "naturopathic doctors" who know virtually nothing about Type 1 diabetes. Note that I have nothing against reputable ND's who never say they can cure T1DM, only provide supportive treatment in addition to conventional medicine.
Regardless, I admire Gracey's drive, although I feel that neither of you should be saying that you have a "cure" for all forms of diabetes. Do you at least understand that you have no proof or studies to say that yet?
I also had a lot of respect for you. I think you are a really intelligent person. However, I am not sure why you turned hostile and why you like to "attack" me, and even in some cases make irrational claims, responses, and perceptions in regards to what I said. You even went so far to accuse me of lying about what, when, and how often I eat (I have no reason to lie about that),to making accusations about my former doctor, who treated me for 16 years and whom you've never known. I'm sorry, but that's just bizarre.
I think you need to understand that I am happy if Gracey's HYPO-thesis really does work for you. Perhaps it really may turn into something huge. I have yet to say that no one should try Raw Juice or a Raw Food diet, in fact, I recall saying that the RFD is a *good* thing (although one study I posted says that raw food may CAUSE T1).
People can try whatever "alternative" treatments they want, all I am advocating is that they be careful and use their head.
What bothers me is that the both of you are promoting an unproven treatment as a CURE for T1DM, when there is absolutely no data or proven scientific basis to claim this. THAT has been my issue all along.
I have never said I will not test Gracey's hypothesis regardless of what I think. I have not said that you should not either.
Please stop assuming I am such a bad person because I am a realist.
Let us know of your progress when you "re-introduce solids".
Peace.
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LESS INSULIN = MORE BETA CELLS
> 0108 www.tinyurl.com/222exn [LoveDiabetes.com]
ONE MEAL A DAY = LESS INSULIN ...
> 0402 www.tinyurl.com/2po68s [Duvillie@necker.fr ~ '... insulin reduction = up-regulation of beta-cells c/o increased beta-cell manufacture + decreased beta-cell recycling ... evidencing that artificially increasing insulin concentration naturally reduces beta-cell mass & quantity ...'].
WHY?
4 LAYERS OF EVIDENCE...
In the light of: Salzer's 1966 "relative-HYPOglycemia" & Neuro-Psychiatric research, Dosch's 2006 "Psycho-Neuro-Immunology" [PNI] type 1A research, Ristow's 'beneficial glucose-insulin-resistance' research AND ... Eisenbarth's NEW 2008 "Auto-Immunity to Human beta-cell insulin" research ... how reasonable is the Gracey HYPO-thesis?
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoneuroimmunology
> 0367 www.tinyurl.com/2uxb99 [Allan Cott c/o Harry M Salzer]
> 1206 www.tinyurl.com/2odurt [HMDosch@sickkids.ca ~ Michael Dosch]
> 1007 www.tinyurl.com/3aypqg [MRistow@mristow.org] ~ Michael Ristow]
> 0108 www.tinyurl.com/3bqcm9 [George.Eisenbarth@uchsc.edu].
Any comments upon these ideas and/or this HYPO-thesis in relation to the CAUSE of diabetes would be most appreciated...
> 1207 www.tinyurl.com/399utj [Halle Berry weans from type 1 (less insulin) into type 2 (more beta-cells) / "The Gracey HYPO-thesis" / relative-HYPO-glycemia-Distress ... 'the avoidable CAUSE of type 0 / 1B / 2 / 1.5 / 1A / 2A / 3 / 4 diabetes appears substantially identical'].
…Warm thanks & Adrenalin Love
Nick Gracey, BSc(Hons) Medical Biochemistry, Birmingham University, UK, WATerian (C) WED.06.FEB.2008 @ 20:40hrs c/o DiabetesHealth.com & www.HYPO-thesis.com
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"The Gracey HYPO-thesis" for the CAUSE & CURE of diabetes... www.tinyurl.com/32z33w
CURE auto-immunity [100pc Fresh Organic Raw Liquidiet]... www.tinyurl.com/3cw8eu
CURE diabetes [relative-Normo-Glycemia (rNG)]... www.tinyurl.com/2guhfd
CURED diabetes [relative-HYPO-glycemia-Distress (rHOD)]... www.tinyurl.com/yno298
PREVENT ... HYPO-glycemia-Unawareness (HOU)... www.tinyurl.com/2y3zpq
PREVENT ... relative-HYPER-glycemia-Distress (rHRD)... www.tinyurl.com/ynpp4g
PROVIDE ... relative-Normo-Glycemia (rNG)... www.tinyurl.com/3bcn7j
Eat not less but less OFTEN... www.tinyurl.com/299t3f
Eating less OFTEN is profoundly more healthy than eating less... www.tinyurl.com/ys63gk
Eating too OFTEN sustains & CAUSES all diabetes... www.tinyurl.com/2j7p3t
PROTECT from HYPER-glycemia-Dehydration-coma (HRDc)... www.tinyurl.com/2mcyx6 &
... from HYPO-glycemia-Distress-coma (HODc) ... 'Liquidiet... www.tinyurl.com/2ohk2a
Diabetes is not a disease ... tinyurl.com/2uxb99 ... diabetes is the CURE...
... for ... relative-HYPO-glycemia-Distress (rHOD)... www.tinyurl.com/36qxn3
Eating-less-OFTEN-Fasting-more-OFTEN-Loving-more-OFTEN
http://www.DiabetesHealth.com/read/2007/11/29/5564.html#comments
AdrenaLINE ... www.tinyurl.com/29kvda ... "I-Fast-Every-23hours-45minutes-OrMore"
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Where is all of this going?
There is still T1DM all around with most of the $$ and attention going to the treatment of an Illness that has a wrong Nomenclature attached to it as well as a Lifestyle that most people with the Illness do not want to change☞Type 2 Diabetes.
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Hi BetterCell -- what's going on, as you say, is that Sarah is debating that type 2's should change their lifestyles but type 1's should not --
Sarah said -- Why are you STILL debating this with me?
I am still ' debating' with Sarah because she continues to post opinions without any supporting evidence and expects everyone to accept her opinions as fact.
I asked, "If obesity causes diabetes, why aren't all obese people diabetic?".
Sarah said, "Genetics. ..In MOST (but not all) cases, personal lifestyle choices seem to play a large role."
So if it is "genetic", as Sarah states, then T2D's are just as much a' victim' of their genes as are T1D's. But then Sarah goes on to say, "In MOST…cases, personal lifestyle choices seem to play a large role."
So then, if T2D is genetic, but personal lifestyle choices play a large role, then that statement is also true for T1D's. Therefore personal lifestyle plays a role in T1D. So Sarah cannot blame a T2D any more than she can blame a T1D. . And if personal lifestyle choices play a role, then people have a CHOICE! Both T1D's and T2D's have a choice to find a healthy lifestyle and that is exactly what is proposed in Gracey's HYPO-thesis (www.HYPO-thesis.com)….
I know several T1D children whose mothers feed them goldfish crackers and gummy bears for snacks and treat then treat their hyperglycemic reactions with more insulin. So apparently, the message is not getting out there, or these well-meaning parents would not do that to their children.
Sarah said, "Obesity as major cause for T2DM"
Has it ever occurred to Sarah that obesity is not the cause of diabetes, but a SYMPTOM? Read Good Calories, Bad Calories, by Gary Taubes. he uses real hard evidence and completely picks apart all the myths, one by one.
How can Sarah or anyone else think that it is all about obesity? Does she think that a thin person who eats junk food and does not exercise is healthier than a fat T2D who exercises and eats right? Or that a T1D (who eats junk and treats it with insulin), is healthier than a T2D who eats right and exercises, just because a T1D is thin? Sarah IS discriminating BECAUSE she is judging people by their weight.
I did not say that I am thin. I used to be thin. I do have a 0.73 waist to hip ratio because my waist is 12-13 inches smaller than my hips—I have an hourglass figure, with big breasts and a big butt. I'm in good shape because I have always exercised and eaten right. If I hadn't always taken good care of myself, I would be obese and my diabetes would be much worse. And I know many T2Ds who eat right and exercise, and still struggle with their weight.
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Sorry, but you are still not "getting it". Are we back to you thinking that Type 1 diabetes has the same pathology as Type 2 diabetes?
I was referring to the fact that yes, genetics ARE involved in Type 2 diabetes, but that we also know that in the vast majority of cases it can be prevented. This is NOT true of Type 1 diabetes.
As for your claim...most Type 1 diabetics DO eat healthy and are active, both before and after diagnosis. The point is, as T1 diabetes has NOT been shown to be "lifestyle disease", living a healthy lifestyle will not prevent nor cure it. Even if a mother did NOT feed her Type 1 diabetic child "goldfish crackers" and "gummy bears", this would NOT cure her son's disease.
Did you know that prior to the new analogue insulin, Type 1 diabetics were on very strict diets? I was raised never allowed to have sugar, cake, cookies, etc. My T1 grandfather even weighed out all his food "exchanges". Starchy vegetables were restricted. Food was very carefully regulated.
As for Type 1 diabetics not having to make any lifestyle changes...
As a Type 1 diabetic, I must now be my endocrine pancreas or die. A Type 2 may go for weeks without testing. If I skip one night, I may die in my sleep.
I must:
-Test my BG level once every 2 hours or more if ill or I feel high or low .
-Determine my insulin needs or food needs based on my current glucose level.
-Predict how much active insulin I have in my system, and how long it will last in determining my needed doses.
-Determine what OTHER factors will affect BG ASIDE from food, such as stress, hormones, work, illness, and activity level.
-Count every carbohydrate and protein that goes in my mouth, and apply my insulin-to-carb ratio.
-Take into account other factors that may affect my correction factor for a high blood sugar.
-I need to stay up all night if severely out of range.
Sorry, but your logic is on very shaky ground. There is NO evidence that T1 diabetes is preventable through a healthy lifestyle. Why are you claiming that lifestyle plays a role with NO evidence? Obesity *may* accelerate autoimmune diabetes if it is already present, but it is not the cause. Most people who develop T1 are thin, fit, and eat healthy. Most with T2 are not.
Ignorant people like you are the people that parents of Type 1 diabetics hate the most.
Obesity appears to be BOTH a symptom and a cause of insulin resistance. I said that. I said: "Fat is an endocrine organ that secretes hormones that cause insulin resistance". And we know that insulin resistance leads to weight gain. A common denominator of both obesity and insulin resistance is the unhealthy lifestyles that are often found in both situations.
I never said nor implied anything of what you claim. Did I say I think it's healthier to be thin and eat crap? Obviously not. The fact is, most obese people do NOT follow a healthy lifestyle. Obesity is beyond overweight. It does not just happen overnight.
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I do agree that Type 1 diabetes should not be called "diabetes".
The word diabetes is now associated with a metabolic disorder linked to obesity, poor diet, and exericse (Type 2 diabetes).
I refer to myself as having "Autoimmune Insulin Deficiency" when I want to avoid idiotic misconceptions from ignorant medical people (nurses are the worst for knowing nothing about Type 1!) and the general public at large.
Or I simply say I wear an insulin pump.
Yep, I've got A.I.D.
As only another Type 1 diabetic understands, I hear ya!
No one will understand this but another T1.
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Bettercell,
What's going on is (continued)
Sarah said, "Most (T2) diabetes cases are largely preventable, and seem to be directly caused by lifestyle choices"
Who is denying that?
The only difference between a fat T2D and a thin T2D is his lifestyle choice. And the only difference between a tightly controlled T1D and a ‘brittle’ T1D is his lifestyle choice.
Dr. Mercola is a thin T2D who admits that diabetes is not an easy thing to prevent or control--
http://articles.mercola.com:80/sites/articles/archive/2008/1/29/type-2-diabetes-explosion-predicted.aspx
-- look how hard he works at it to keep his T2D under control—a very strict, no grain, high protein, high fat diet with lots of exercise. He is extremely thin, yet whenever he cuts back on his exercise and eats carbs, he gets hyperglycemia. So there is another case of a thin T2D. Myth busted!
Gracey would also agree that diabetes is caused by our western diet, so Sarah is suggesting nothing new here. What is novel about Gracey's HYPO-thesis (www.HYPO-thesis.com)….is that he actually proposes a CURE for it!
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"Sarah is suggesting nothing new"...
Obviously. I've been trying to convince you of what is commonly accepted as fact by the vast majority of the research community for quite some posts now.
As for brittle T1, yes some cases can be explained by stupid human error, lack of effort, and bad math skills. Not everyone is smart enough to be a Type 1 diabetic. It takes a lot of effort, money, time, math skills, and precision.
Regardless, this really proves how ignorant you are about Type 1 diabetes.
Some causes for brittleness:
-Co-morbid conditions often found in T1DM like autoimmune thyroid disease, malabsorption/Celiac, gastroparesis, Addison's Disease, etc.
-Poor absorption/scar tissue after years of injecting insulin (especially true for the very young at dx.)
-Being extremely sensitive to uncontrollable or unpredictable factors that affect blood glucose. Type 1 diabetics often will have unexplained lows or highs, despite their best efforts.
-Some transient small insulin production from time to time.
-Some T1 patients have antibodies to their insulin as well. In some patients, these antibodies "attach" to the insulin, rendering it inactive, causing unexplained highs. When these antibodies break apart, unexpected lows occur.
Most people with T1DM put a lot of work into staying healthy. I think we should recognize that. They will never have 100% normal or predictable glucose levels no matter what they do. I am always happy to hear of a T2 who is really comitted to living a healthy lifestyle as well. I realize that not all cases of T2 are easy to control either.
I wish Gracey all the best in his research and proposal. Please keep us posted on your progress in reversing T2DM with the Raw Juice Diet.
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P.S. I love Dr. Mercola! I really do! He really "gets" how hard it really is to live with Type 1 diabetes.
http://www.mercola.com/2004/mar/20/diabetes_insulin.htm
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One more feature of T1 that causes instability:
-Most lack glucagon response to low blood sugar. And T1 by definition does not have clinical insulin resistance. Both lead to a high risk of severe low blood sugar. This is not normally seen in Type 2 diabetes due to a preserved glucagon response, and the insulin resistance found in T2 patients.
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bird54........I recognize the fact that there are people w/IRD(aka Type 2 Diabetes) who are willing-to change their Lifestyle and do so every day. However the majority of those with Type 2 do not and not only do they continue to consume foods in the very same way that had provided a creation for their Illness but, if they are Mothers will then introduce the same wrong Food choices to their Family as well thus perpetuating this Disease in others and for a new generation as well.
As we both know, change is difficult(both emotional and physical), however it is the only way to stop a seemingly unending progression of this Disease.
As past President Truman would say, "The Buck Stops Here."
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I am fascinated with what you have been writing about Sarah.
You (and I read many others) are one of the few people that is able to articulate so clearly what is going on w/T1DM on both a physiological and emotional basis. Having to deal with all the stressors that T1DM has placed upon me since I was 6, I thank you for that.
I have encountered more "ignorant" people in Healthcare that either do not know enough about T1DM or personally care about it to effectively be able to treat me as a patient. Thus, my becoming my "own Physician," was out of necessity and survival. There then is no long waiting time to see myself, I do not have to deal with ignorant/rude ancillary healthcare workers, I do not have to "break the bank" so that I can stay healthy, I do not have to listen to people in "white lab coats" talking about food of which information I have known about for many years prior to their existence. There are other advantages as well.
I do however, keep the essential "T1DM Network" of Healthcare Practitioners available to me such as a good Ophthalmologist, a good PCP, a good Cardiologist.
Just to clarify Sarah, my earlier comments were referring to all the $$ that goes into the R&D, Education, Medical School Curriculum, Drug development, TV/Radio Marketing for the "other" Disease called Type 2 Diabetes(aka Insulin Resistant Disease) rather than T1DM. Everything related to T1DM has remained relatively the same these many years...................
For as the saying goes."there's money to be made in those hills"(referring to IRD/Type 2 Diabetes) and yes, it has returned and made many people very rich because of a % of people who are not willing(for the most part) to want to CHANGE their Lifestyle from an unhealthy one to one of positive health.
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I understand.
"diabetics" in general...
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BetterCell,
I can totally relate with you in regards to how people with diabetes are treated. The mental abuse that goes with being called a "diabetic" is horrific. I am so glad that I mentally buried the diabetic label and all of the other toxic stuff that goes with it in 1979. I Believe once the mental part is dealt with, the physical body will improve. You see, I buried type 1 diabetes almost 29 years ago and I do not see diabetes in my life ever. I just have blood sugar challenges. Hopefully, my own body will continue to heal itself. Congratulations to everyone, for operating their own pancreas. Hugs to all!
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Sarah, TRUE or FALSE -- 'diabetes-does-not-discriminate'.
You say -- "Sorry, but you are still not "getting it".
http://alliesvoice.com/2008/02/04/allies-voice-diabetes-does-not-discriminate--so-why-should-mississippi.aspx#comment-815292
I said -- "I want my body to be protected from excess glucose flooding into my cells via my insulin receptors by their sometimes adaptively increasing their glucose insulin resistance. I eat 1 meal a day to help gradually 'train' that 'resistance'. You prefer to suggest that a type 1's insulin receptors' ability to increase resistance, is redundant in your case and that you would rather be glucose insulin sensitive -- because that is what you have read somewhere?"
http://alliesvoice.com/2008/02/04/allies-voice-diabetes-does-not-discriminate--so-why-should-mississippi.aspx#comment-812635
The Gracey HYPO-thesis (www.HYPO-thesis.com) makes subtle distinctions which you should understand before you publish, often personally directed, DEFAMATORY judgments.
Gracey is proposing that increasing glucose / insulin resistance is a key feature of a CURE for diabetes. That hypothesis is different to most conventional thinking -- 'resistance = bad' & 'sensitivity = good'. But what if conventional assumption is wrong?
When I first read about Gracey's proposal at http://www.DiabetesHealth.com/read/2007/11/29/5564.html#comments I thought 'what is this PUZZLE all about' and asked Gracey if I was understanding correctly? This is my review and Gracey's reply --
http://alliesvoice.com/2007/12/19/allies-voice-the-emotional-roller-coaster-of-diabetes.aspx#comment-737825
I want more glucose insulin resistance NOT less. So, in my opinion, do many type 1 diabetics.
Type 2 diabetics usually have lots of glucose / insulin resistance and I wanted that 'resistance' to help protect from sudden relative HYPO-glycemia which I was distressed by -- BEFORE testing Gracey's 'eat-less-OFTEN' method (www.tinyurl.com/3cw8eu).
From what I now understand -- As compared with the average 'healthy' person (control group) -- un-drug-treated type 2 diabetics have NO 'disease' whatsoever. They have evolved the 'resistance' that I want more of. That is what the REAL evidence suggests and you fail, OR don't want, to see that. You promote a FALSE dogma and even appear to get quite excited by saying 'type 2 = OBESE'.
If you cannot provide ONE pubmed reference, with an un-drug-treated control, evidencing why I, or any other un-drug-treated type 2 diabetic, should ever be concerned about my blood glucose rising as high or higher than yours / or any type 1 (or other drug-treated diabetic) -- that reasonably suggests you DISCRIMINATE, without evidence, against people who you FALSELY allege (without any evidence) will suffer hyperglycemic damage as a consequence YOU SAY of being 'OBESE'.
And you say -- "Sorry, but you are still not "getting it".
Please provide the reference for what you say is 'FACT' or make a REAL apology.
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Hi Bird54,
It looks like insulin resistance WAS beneficial at one time, when food was scarce, life expectancy was too short to develop Type 2 diabetes or complications, or cancer, and exercise was plenty. But not so much anymore.
People with insulin resistance seem to be *especially* poorly adapted to our modern (toxic) obesegenic environment. It is possible that if people continue to follow current lifestyles, natural selection will favor those who do not have insulin resistance. So many women have undiagnosed Type 2 diabetes while pregnant, and are having stillborns or babies with fatal birth defects. This is a problem on the rise, which is why all pregnancies are screened for Type 2/gestational diabetes. Obese children who develop Type 2 diabetes very young and are not diagnosed until the damage is done at a later age may not be healthy enough to carry a pregnancy, or may die before they can procreate. Disabled and diseased diabetics may not be able to find sexual partners for procreation.
I personally think Type 2 diabetes will work its way out of the gene pool via natural selection within a few generations if we continue the way we are. This is my personal opinion only. People with these genes are simply not suited or adapted to our current environment. Unless we are able to change our obesegenic environment in a generation, our current generation and the next is lost.
Here is the study I cited earlier. It was actually in Oxygen magazine, a Canadian fitness magazine sold in the US as well. I had read 2 magazines that day and the article was actually in Oxygen.
"Even if you haven't been diagnosed with diabetes, higher blood glucose may increase your risk for certain types of cancers, according to a recent study.
By examining health information from 64,500 people, Swedish researchers confirmed an association between high fasting glucose levels and pancreatic, breast, and endometrial cancers in women. Overall, according to the research women in the top 25% range of blood sugar readings after fasting had a 26% higher chance of developing cancer than those in the bottom quarter. However, the is good news is that you can reduce your blood glucose levels by maintaining a healthy weight through a clean diet of whole fruits and vegetables.
Get checked: Start monitoring your blood glucose levels by requesting that your doctor orders screening as part of your next physical exam.
Oxygen March 2008 Page 35
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Sarah, TRUE or FALSE -- 'diabetes-does-not-discriminate'.
2/14/2008 4:50 PM Sarah wrote: "-- People with insulin resistance seem to be *especially* poorly adapted to our modern (toxic) obesegenic environment. It is possible that if people continue to follow current lifestyles, natural selection will favor those who do not have insulin resistance -- Obese --"
http://alliesvoice.com/2008/02/04/allies-voice-diabetes-does-not-discriminate--so-why-should-mississippi.aspx#comment-830493
Hi Sarah,
You prefix your comment (in relation to T2 diabetes) suggesting that insulin resistance can CAUSE a T2 Diabetic to be prevented from being able to procreate' by stating: " -- natural selection will favor those who do not have insulin resistance --" Well you appear to have not read or be able to explain this article --
http://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/2008/02/10/5649.html
1) Please explain WHY you are alleging " -- insulin resistance is not BENEFICIAL -- " always?
2) What PHYSIOLOGICAL mechanism / process is allegedly not BENEFITED by insulin resistance?
2/14/2008 4:21 PM Sarah wrote: "-- People with insulin resistance (AKA Type 2 diabetes) should be on a low carb, high fibre, low bad fats, moderate protein, and high GOOD fat diet. --"
http://alliesvoice.com/2008/02/04/allies-voice-diabetes-does-not-discriminate--so-why-should-mississippi.aspx#comment-830452
3) How do you make a conscious DISTINCTION between your allegation that an un-drug-treated T2 diabetic should be restricted to only eating the foods that YOU specify [without any evidence] rather than the ADA advised foods [few restrictions] AND the possibility that 'insulin resistance IS beneficial when eating less OFTEN' -- ANY reasonable foods, as proposed by the Gracey HYPO-thesis (www.HYPO-thesis.com) ?
A direct reply directed to each of the numbered comments, specifically 'on topic' (Kelly's term) of that numbered comment, would be appreciated.
Your ongoing lack of evidence for your abovementioned comments supports the HYPO-thesis that insulin resistance may ALWAYS be protective in un-drug-treated T2 diabetics (as suggested by Ristow).
http://www.cellmetabolism.org/content/article/abstract?uid=PIIS1550413107002562
If you cannot provide ONE pubmed research reference (re T2 diabetes), with an un-drug-treated T2 control group, evidencing why I, or any other un-drug-treated T2 diabetic, should ever be concerned about my blood glucose rising as high or higher than yours / or any T1 (or other HYPOglycemia drug-treated diabetic) -- YOUR consistent complete lack, of any evidence, reasonably suggests you DISCRIMINATE, without evidence, against ALL un-drug-treated T2 diabetics who YOU repeatedly allege (always without any evidence) will suffer HYPERglycemic damage as a consequence, YOU SAY, of being "OBESE".
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I think "Blondie" actually has a good chance of having LADA, or a slow onset form of autoimmune insulin deficiency. It is very common for those diagnosed with AID (autoimmune T1 diabetes) later in life to be misdiagnosed as T2DM. One reference of one person who has lived for 40 years with Type 2 diabetes does not translate into T2DM as being "beneficial".
Regardless, even if she does have T2DM, she obviously controls her blood glucose levels and insulin resistance by watching her weight, diet, and exercise levels.
There are many studies that show the opposite, and also point out severe birth defects in the offspring of un/under-treated T2DM.
Regards.
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Hi Bettercell,
When a group is singled out from the others, it is called discrimination. If the entire world has a diabetes epidemic, and the entire world population lives an unhealthy lifestyle and eats unhealthy foods, then how can anyone single out Type 2 Diabetics, when all people (thin, obese, diabetics, non-diabetics), do the same? That is discrimination.
When a thin person eats junk food, they are not blamed for their thinness. When a fat person eats junk food, they ARE blamed for their fatness. However, when a fat person lives a healthy lifestyle they are still placed in the “big fat slob” category and blamed for what they have little or no control over. That is discrimination.
How can you say…” the majority of those with Type 2 …continue to consume foods in the very same way that had provided a creation for their Illness…” How do you know what the ‘majority’ of those with T2D do or do not do? Do you follow them around all day watching what they eat or don’t eat, or how much they exercise or don’t exercise? How can you say that ‘most’ have created their own illness, when in fact, ‘most’ are living the same lifestyle as the majority of the population? That is discrimination.
There are both thin and fat people who live UNhealthy lifestyles and do NOT get diabetes. And there are both thin and fat people who DO live healthy lifestyles and DO get diabetes.
And how can you say that ‘most’ T1Ds live a healthy lifestyle when they live in the same population and are exposed to the same junk food that everyone else is exposed to? How do you know that ‘most” T1Diabetics follow a healthy lifestyle when they follow the ADA recommendations, (which until just recently) was an UNhealthy high carbohydrate, low fat diet?
In order NOT to discriminate, one needs to look at each individual person to determine if they live a healthy lifestyle or not. NO diabetic should ever be discriminated against—so how can you to IMPLY that T1Ds are somehow “superior” because they did not contribute to their illness, while ‘most’ T2Ds are weak- willed ‘SLOBS’ who contributed to their own illness? That IS discrimination.
Sarah asked me this, “Did you ever have an eating disorder?
MY personal hypothesis is that your body became [adapted] to starving and acquired insulin resistance.
Basically, you screwed yourself over.”
See what I mean about discrimination and blame? Since Sarah cannot explain how I got T2D, she imagines that I must have caused it myself. She thinks that she is immune from blame because she got it as a baby. Well, the TRUTH is that I have never had an eating disorder and I never dieted. I was one of those ‘lucky' people who could eat like a horse and never gain weight. I didn’t get diabetes until I was older, despite a healthy lifestyle.
So why all the blame? Am I blaming T1Ds for their disease? No. So why do you T1Ds continue to blame T2Ds for their disease? It's called discrimination!
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Hi bird54......
Both those w'T1DM and IRD(aka Type 2 Diabetes) rae different not only from each other, but themselves as well.
You can find in both groups people who are and who are not obese.
Those that are obese are at a disadvantage, medically within their own bodies in a vast number of ways as you know.
Being obese (regardless of type of Diabetes) will put you at rish for Hip Dysplasia, prolapsed muscular tissue, Heart Disease, Joint Problems, O.A., and other negative conditions that one's Body becomes subject to.
I understand your example of how people view a thin person w/Diabetes eating "junk food" as compared to an overweight person. However, while their are a statistical number of babies that are born obese, most are not. Since ALL of us are DIFFERENT in Body Type, Intelligence, Wisdom, Manual Dexterity, Creativity and more then a greater effort and alteration should be placed on those who do not have a perfect/healthy body. Some people have to work harder at it than others. I know that you know that Bird.
Not all of those either with T1DM or IRD(aka Type 2 Diabetes) have unhealthy Life Styles nor eat lousy/un-healthy foods.
The skinny person, whether or not he has Diabetes and regardless of how it is manifested(T1DM or IRD) when eating high carb foods/and junk foods might be impaired Internally as a result from this type of Diet. The obese person eating the same amount/type of foods will be further wounded because of the already dangerous effects that the obesity carries.
The combination of our genes, enviornmental factors, exrecise, where we live, temperatures, nutrition and quality/quantity of food all have variable influences over our Body/Mind,
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Please pardon the mis-spelled words:
are instead of rae, there instead of their and possibly others.
I was typing fast w/o the aid of my spell-checker.
Question for all to ponder.....
What is the Spiritual reason why we have Diabetes?
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BetterCell,
Personally, for me there is no spiritual reason as to why I have type 1 diabetes. Mine was caused from a childhood vaccination! We have a zero family history of diabetes as well. Diabetes is a disease that needs to be buried!! The primary focus for everyone should not just be normal blood sugars, but a healthy lifestyle to keep every organ in the body performing at its best. If you have more questions in regards to the spiritual reason why people have diabetes...contact the real manufacturer of the pancreas at 1-800-HEAVEN HELP ME. You won't get a busy signal, as all angels are standing by.
Have a heavenly day!
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Thank you for that Julie.
They have been there and are there during my severe Hypoglycemia Unawareness crisis.
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Your welcome! You are in my thoughts and prayers. I read your other blogs and I am a cat lover too!! They are very smart, when it comes to low blood sugars. You are such a special person.
Lots of hugs, Julie
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Bird54 - you asked: "So why do you T1Ds continue to blame T2Ds for their disease?" My response: jealousy. From my experience watching a family member with T2 abuse his body, I can only watch and wish I had his problem to solve instead of my own antibiotic-induced "T1". I'd trade places with him in a heartbeat.
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Allie, you wondered if it was a joke. And some comments above mentioned that it wouldn't be cost effective for a restaurant to do that. But maybe it's a bill thought up by restaurant owners who have all-you-can eat buffets. There are a lot of those types of restaurants, and they probably lose a lot of money on big eaters.
That bill is a mean piece of legislation. The first thing I pictured in my mind when hearing about it is seeing a family getting up and leaving a restaurant without ordering ... everyone would be staring at them ... It would be so humiliating.
And the psychology behind being heavy makes me think it would make things worse. Yes, I know that there are heavy people who get that way for reasons beyond their control. But for the majority it's tied into emotional issues. Someone coming home from being humiliated at a restaurant is going to switch on the TV and eat and eat and eat ... and most likely something less healthy than what they would have had at the restaurant.
A bill like that would be very irresponsible. Let's hope it never passes.
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WATER DISCRIMINATION = LIFE
> 0108 www.tinyurl.com/2nkgmo [LoveDiabetes.com]
DEHYDRATION = HYPER-GLYCEMIA-COMA
GM INSULIN too soon = BALLOONED BRAIN CELLS ...
> 0207 www.tinyurl.com/2gjcwh [Cerebral Edema ~ '...avoid administering insulin ... UNTIL ... 1 to 2 hours after starting fluid replacement therapy...']
> 0100 www.tinyurl.com/ypozqv [RosenAL@peds.ufl.edu Arlan L Rosenbloom ~ '...rehydration, REhydration, REHYDRATION...'].
WHY?
4 LAYERS OF EVIDENCE...
In the light of: Salzer's 1966 "relative-HYPOglycemia" & Neuro-Psychiatric research, Dosch's 2006 "Psycho-Neuro-Immunology" [PNI] type 1A research, Ristow's 'beneficial glucose-insulin-resistance' research AND ... Eisenbarth's NEW 2008 "Auto-Immunity to Human beta-cell insulin" research ... how reasonable is the Gracey HYPO-thesis?
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoneuroimmunology
> 0367 www.Relative-HYPOglycemia.com [Allan Cott c/o Harry M Salzer]
> 1206 www.tinyurl.com/2odurt [HMDosch@sickkids.ca ~ Michael Dosch]
> 1007 www.tinyurl.com/3aypqg [MRistow@mristow.org] ~ Michael Ristow]
> 0108 www.tinyurl.com/3bqcm9 [George.Eisenbarth@uchsc.edu].
Any comments upon these ideas and/or this HYPO-thesis in relation to the CAUSE of diabetes would be most appreciated...
> 1207 www.tinyurl.com/399utj [Halle Berry weans from type 1 (less insulin) into type 2 (more beta-cells) / "The Gracey HYPO-thesis" / relative-HYPO-glycemia-Distress ... 'the avoidable CAUSE of type 0 / 1B / 2 / 1.5 / 1A / 2A / 3 / 4 diabetes appears substantially identical'].
…Warm thanks & Adrenalin Love
Nick Gracey, BSc(Hons) Medical Biochemistry, Birmingham University, UK, WATerian (C) FRI.08.FEB.2008 @ 21:23hrs c/o DiabetesHealth.com & www.HYPO-thesis.com
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"The Gracey HYPO-thesis" for the CAUSE & CURE of diabetes... www.tinyurl.com/32z33w
CURE auto-immunity [100pc Fresh Organic Raw Liquidiet]... www.tinyurl.com/3cw8eu
CURE diabetes [relative-NormoGlycemia (rNG)]... www.tinyurl.com/2guhfd
CURED diabetes [relative-HYPOglycemia-Distress (rHOD)]... www.tinyurl.com/yno298
PREVENT ... HYPOglycemia-Unawareness (HOU)... www.tinyurl.com/2y3zpq
PREVENT ... relative-HYPERglycemia-Distress (rHRD)... www.tinyurl.com/ynpp4g
PROVIDE ... relative-NormoGlycemia (rNG)... www.tinyurl.com/3bcn7j
Eat not less but less OFTEN... www.tinyurl.com/299t3f
Eating less OFTEN is profoundly more healthy than eating less... www.tinyurl.com/ys63gk
Eating too OFTEN sustains & CAUSES all diabetes... www.tinyurl.com/2j7p3t
PROTECT from HYPERglycemia-Dehydration-coma (HRDc)... www.tinyurl.com/2mcyx6 &
...from HYPOglycemia-Distress-coma (HODc) ... FOR Liquidiet... www.tinyurl.com/2ohk2a
Diabetes is not a disease ... www.tinyurl.com/2uxb99 ... diabetes is the CURE...
...for ... relative-HYPOglycemia-Distress (rHOD)... www.tinyurl.com/36qxn3
Eating-less-OFTEN-Fasting-more-OFTEN-Loving-more-OFTEN
http://www.DiabetesHealth.com/read/2007/11/29/5564.html#comments
AdrenaLINE ... www.tinyurl.com/29kvda ... "I-Fast-Every-23hours-45minutes-OrMore"
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Nick,
It would be very helpful, and much appreciated, if you would keep your responses on topic and directly relevant to the string. To put it out there honestly, I find myself literally skipping over your responses - virtually all of them now - not because you might not have something interesting to say, but because you rarely actually respond directly to the string and you tend to repeat the same message, copying and pasting, over and over again. If you were to respond directly to the blog sting, linking ONE time to your HYPOthesis, it'd be much appreciated. I'd be much, much more open to hearing what you're trying to say and to reading your participation in Allie's blog. Please.
Sincerely,
Kelly
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Hi BetterCell,
You asked -- "What is the Spiritual reason why we have Diabetes?"
http://alliesvoice.com/2008/02/04/allies-voice-diabetes-does-not-discriminate--so-why-should-mississippi.aspx#comment-817534
That's a 'BIG question' but a very interesting one with far reaching consequences. Gracey's HYPO-thesis (www.HYPO-thesis.com) suggests that 'distress' is at the core of 'diabetic HYPERglycemia'. His previous comment may go someway to answering your question and how to help reduce 'spiritual distress' --
http://alliesvoice.com/2008/01/05/allies-voice-watch-your-mouth-when-you-say-cure-to-me.aspx#comment-748358
On another matter relating to 'loving-more-OFTEN' as between T1 & T2 diabetes -- Gracey is proposing that T4 or 'gestational diabetes' is beneficial and helps to make stronger than average babies (macrosomia). I witnessed a similar experience with my second son who was born with the benefit of my refusing all T2 medications.
http://alliesvoice.com/2008/01/30/allies-voice-big-breasts-and-evolution.aspx#comment-816674
http://www.pennhealth.com/health_info/diabetes2/images/19724.jpg
What do you say to the possibility that T4 = T2 and that un-drug-treated T2 diabetes is beneficial and helps make T2 people stronger than average (for example the many that have achieved a 'Sumo-wrestler-like' body type)?
http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/300875
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrosomia
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Hi Bird.....
Thanks for the info. I am involved in Martial Arts and I do know that Sumo Wrestlers have a short Life Span because of the excessive weight that they carry.
Where would the "distress" fit in as a causative variable for T1DM in a very young child?
Does it come from the Mother, immediate Enviornment. excessive noise or all and more?
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Hi BetterCell -- DISCRIMINATIONS or DISTINCTIONS?,
You said -- "Hi Bird..... Thanks for the info. I am involved in Martial Arts and I do know that Sumo Wrestlers have a short Life Span because of the excessive weight that they carry. Where would the "distress" fit in as a causative variable for T1DM in a very young child? Does it come from the Mother, immediate Enviornment. excessive noise or all and more?"
http://alliesvoice.com/2008/02/04/allies-voice-diabetes-does-not-discriminate--so-why-should-mississippi.aspx#comment-819572
I said -- "What do you say to the possibility that T4 = T2 and that un-drug-treated T2 diabetes is beneficial and helps make T2 people stronger than average (for example the many that have achieved a 'Sumo-wrestler-like' body type)?
http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/300875
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrosomia"
You reply -- "I am involved in Martial Arts and I do know that Sumo Wrestlers have a short Life Span because of the excessive weight that they carry."
BetterCell -- I am involved in teaching schoolchildren and I do know that children make assumptions but rarely 'SELF-QUESTION' whether the assumption is 'discrimination' or 'truth'. I still believe "Sumo Wrestlers" are stronger, fitter and healthier than most people of the same age. Sumo Wrestlers do not have a "short" lifespan.They live until a mean age of approximately 65. My comment example was NOT about "Retired Sumo Wrestlers" and whether "Retired Sumo Wrestlers" take drugs [including alcohol] or eat too OFTEN or indulge in excessive sex as a 'retirement gift' (the male-salmon-effect).
http://www.atlanticsalmontrust.org/salmon_facts/salmon_biology.html
http://news.3yen.com/2005-08-11/do-sumo-enjoy-sex/
What is stopping you from making the assumption that it is "because of the excessive weight that they carry" and instead adopting your brain to make conscious DISTINCTIONS. What 'evidence' other than the unquestioned sub-conscious DISCRIMINATIONS of your social programming -- do you have -- to prove to me, or anyone else, that a Sumo Wrestler who participates in that 'martial art' / 'sport' is not stronger, fitter and healthier than most people of the same age?
You keep suggesting a gross assumption [without any evidence] that "weight" has negative health consequences to un-drug-treated T2 diabetics, yet there have been cases of healthy thin 60 year old runners who have dropped dead of heart attacks or thin active 65 year old men with low cholesterol who have suffered hearts on the golf course, or of thin basketball players with bad knee joints.
I think you do yourself and the world much disservice by NOT discriminating for TRUTH -- when you clearly have the capability to question the very apparent discriminations your brain has been programmed with by society.
What do you say in reply to my specific allegation about your "because of the excessive weight that they carry" assumption?
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Hi BetterCell -- DISCRIMINATIONS or DISTINCTIONS? (continued),
You asked -- "Where would the "distress" fit in as a causative variable for T1DM in a very young child? Does it come from the Mother, immediate Enviornment. excessive noise or all and more?"
A major contributory effector, at a metabolic level, of all the various 'distressors' is described in novel detail in the Gracey HYPO-thesis (www.HYPO-thesis.com). Gracey identifies the 'causative variable' as "relative-HYPOglycemia-Distress" which manifests as starvation of sufficient glucose concentration to the brain/nerves.
Please give that HYPO-thesis your 'open-minded' attention and post any questions you have which you think will help you and others understand what is being proposed.
When I first read about Nick Gracey's proposal at http://www.DiabetesHealth.com/read/2007/11/29/5564.html#comments I thought 'what is this PUZZLE all about' and asked Gracey if I was understanding correctly? This is my review and Gracey's